Pentagon theory, GW on politics, and the AW Ban

[skreidle]

So check out this bit of (possibly frivolous, as it often is) conspiracy theorizing: http://trancenews.com/pentagoncrash.swf
And the discussion here (where I first saw it): http://www.livejournal.com/users/sebatical/743362.html
And the DC-area discussion, here: http://www.livejournal.com/community/washingtondc/537513.html

And now, read what George Washington had to say about Political Parties and foreign interests:

I have already intimated to you the danger of parties in the State, with particular reference to the founding of them on geographical discriminations. Let me now take a more comprehensive view, and warn you in the most solemn manner against the baneful effects of the spirit of party generally.

This spirit, unfortunately, is inseparable from our nature, having its root in the strongest passions of the human mind. It exists under different shapes in all governments, more or less stifled, controlled, or repressed; but in those of the popular form it is seen in its greatest rankness and is truly their worst enemy....

It serves always to distract the public councils and enfeeble the public administration. It agitates the community with ill-founded jealousies and false alarms; kindles the animosity of one part against another; foments occasionally riot and insurrection. It opens the door to foreign influence and corruption, which finds a facilitated access to the government itself through the channels of party passion. Thus the policy and the will of one country are subjected to the policy and will of another.

--George Washington, Farewell Address

This particularly caught kitiara's attention as well:

Against the insidious wiles of foreign influence (I conjure you to believe me, fellow-citizens) the jealousy of a free people ought to be constantly awake, since history and experience prove that foreign influence is one of the most baneful foes of republican government. But that jealousy, to be useful, must be impartial, else it becomes the instrument of the very influence to be avoided, instead of a defense against it. Excessive partiality for one foreign nation and excessive dislike of another cause those whom they actuate to see danger only on one side, and serve to veil and even second the arts of influence on the other. Real patriots who may resist the intrigues of the favorite are liable to become suspected and odious, while its tools and dupes usurp the applause and confidence of the people to surrender their interests.

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By visgoth: What the Assault Weapon Ban Does, and Why It's Silly; and, How the Assault Weapons Ban has had No Conclusive Effect On Crime

Comments

[skinglist.livejournal.com]

Interesting 9.11 stuff
Is it time to boycott the media yet?

[skreidle.livejournal.com]

Has been for decades, methinks. 'course, I'd take "an uprising of independent media," too.

[skinglist.livejournal.com]

ditto
I meant my annual 9.11 boycott so as to avoid having it shoved down my throat

[skreidle.livejournal.com]

Ahh.. seems to be decreasing by year--but maybe it's just that I don't watch much TV or read the newspaper. :)

[skinglist.livejournal.com]

in NY it's kicked up in high gear

[skreidle.livejournal.com]

Go figure. All we've got here is the Pentagon, which is still standing. :)

[skinglist.livejournal.com]

and everytime 9.11 is mentioned here it's mentioned as 'the september 11 attacks on the WTC'

[skreidle.livejournal.com]

Admittedly, they were quite a bit more impressive, but that ain't all that happened that day. :P

[skinglist.livejournal.com]

nope, I think it may be due to the proximity I guess

[visgoth.livejournal.com]

One of my coworkers who was going to the Pentagon for a meeting called back shortly after the crash to let us know that he was okay and that he had seen "a jumbo jet" hit the Pentagon.

I don't think that is consistent with "a small passenger plane."

[skreidle.livejournal.com]

Of course, even eyewitness accounts are far from infallible.. (mostly playing Devil's Advocate here.)

[visgoth.livejournal.com]

A fact which applies equally to the guy who claims it was and 8-12 passenger plane.

[skreidle.livejournal.com]

No argument on that point. :)

[learath.livejournal.com]

Come now, you should know better than to use Logic on "Gun Elimination" (pronounced "Gun Control") advocates.

[skreidle.livejournal.com]

True 'nuff.

And of course, most of those advocates are more of a mind to say "Whatcha need any o' them guns for, anyhow?" even down to a little Daisy .22 rifle. Or BB guns. Maybe paintball. Ooh, and those nasty water guns.